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**Please note that the opinions in the OMNI Online Chat rooms do not necessarily reflect the opinions of the publishers or editorial staff of OMNI Magazine. Chat room hosts do not represent OMNI Magazine and any opinions that we express are definitely our own.** Badgerkat : So we think Kirkisms are hokey--what about Picardisms? OMNIQuest : LOL!! Cyber!!! :D MToney : Cyber! Howdy!!! FREDDER : Hey Cyber! :) LiveZombie : There are no Picardism tother than "make it so." Adda : Details, details, TUNA. ;) Shadowjak : Make it so-so OMNI Cyber : Howdy!!!!!! OMNIQuest : There he is! :D Folks, you have been a fantastic group tonight! :D TUNA1 : "Nothing's impossible until it is" Bohemund : "We are men of good conscience, who come on a ship of peace." MToney : LOL, Shadow! Shadowjak : Hi Cyber OMNIQuest : ROFL, Shadow! That and his hand gesture for Engage. OMNI Cyber : :::securing the docking ring locks and recalibrating the transporter::: Adda : Night, Questie! :) OMNI Cyber : :::opening the airlocks and greeting the arrivals to the Cyber Wheel virtual space station::: LiveZombie : "No. 1! More head wax!" OMNIQuest : But it's time for this one to go off into cyberspace and get well! ;) :D MToney : Nighters {{{Questie}}} OMNI Cyber : :::requesting all new arrivals leave their phasers, laser pistols, and light sabers at the door::: Badgerkat : Ciao, Quest. Pet the tribbles--er, cats. Bohemund : "There (snort) are (slobber) FOUR (sob) LIGHTS!" Data1701D : Seeya Quest! |D OMNI Cyber : Nite, Quest. Take care. :) FREDDER : niters Quest Bohemund : 'Night Quest! OMNIQuest : :D Will do, Badger! :D You guys are the greatest! :D I had fun tonight!! :D Badgerkat : Ooh, ouch, Bo! Low blow! LiveZombie : Night, Quest. OMNIQuest : ::beaming keys over to Cyber:: Adda : Bo, darling, you're teeth are showing. ;) TUNA1 : Bye Questie!! Shadowjak : Nite Quest FREDDER : LOL Adda OMNI Cyber : OUCH! Get that transporter fixed, Quest. :) JasonB2001 : Let's beam up Generations and lose the signal........:) LiveZombie : "hey, No. 1-- cut down on the pizzas" OMNIQuest : Oooops, sorry, Cyb! :D Bohemund : Nice and sharp tonight, too, eh? :) Adda : Indeed. OMNIQuest : ::back into the OMNIComet and zoooooooming off into cyberspace:: See y'all! Take care! :D MToney : Filing the incisors again, Bo? Badgerkat : No, No. 1 got that tummy roll at the donut shop at the center of the universe. Data1701D : <--also shuffling off...nite all |) OMNI Cyber : Okey Dokey...so whats been the topic tonight? I'm up for it. FREDDER : Bo - the better to bite into the topic MToney : No. 1's a space cop? JasonB2001 : Bye Quest....:) OMNI Cyber : Nite, Data. Adda : Bye, Data! Badgerkat : Bye, Data. Bohemund : Gotta keep in shape, right? :) MToney : Night Data! Shadowjak : Nite Data FREDDER : bye Data Bohemund : 'Night Data! LiveZombie : So let him jog it off in a Holodeck Sahara. Bohemund : I love you, too, Live! ;) MToney : <===Talking Heads night at MT's place. Hiya Cyber!!! LTNS FREDDER : The topic Cyber - was all things Trek TUNA1 : Guess it's time for me to fly too. Nite all! :{D Bohemund : 'Night TUNA! :D Adda : Night, TUNA MToney : Night Tuna! Good seeing you again! Badgerkat : Sure, MT, the whole batch are space cops--to protect and to serve the galaxy. FREDDER : nite Tuna OMNI Cyber : MT.....LTNS. Still riding that Tagamet train. :( Shadowjak : Nite Tuna! JasonB2001 : Hey Cyber..:) TUNA1 : Nite MT, and all!! Take care!! MToney : Yep. I've been a Tagamet fan for years, myself. OMNI Cyber : Hiya, Jason. :) Bohemund : Ohhh -- that's a dry and chalky track, no, Cyber? Badgerkat : Bye Tuna. Shadowjak : <--out of Tagamet.........:( OMNI Cyber : LOL, Bo.....sure is. :( LiveZombie : Tagamet! You're Itamet! Adda : What! Have I somehow stumbled into to ulcer chat? ;) OMNI Cyber : Too funny, Live. :D MToney : LOL! In here, we don't do age/sex, we do medication checks! Bohemund : Well, to quote the immortal Tony Randall: "Oscar, Oscar, Oscar ... " Badgerkat : OOOOOOUCH, LZ JasonB2001 : Topic........Cyber? OMNI Cyber : *** Tonight the topic deals with Androids, Robots and Cyborgs. Have a favorite character? *** MToney : Be kind, Adda, we're hurtin' puppies! {{{}}} LiveZombie : Tony Randall? Not even "Emmy, Emmy, Emmy..." Adda : You all have my sympathy. :) OMNI Cyber : Adda......that's cause we have all of this STRESS . LOL Bohemund : Hey! That's MY job, MT! Shadowjak : Making do with Di-Gel.............urrrp FREDDER : Are all OMNI Hosts feeling ill? OMNI Cyber : Hiya, TJG13 OMNI Cyber : Greetings! You've found the OMNI SF/F chat room--a place for great SF conversation! TJG13 : hello all MToney : LOL! Flip ya for it, Bo! :{D OMNI Cyber : Fredder.....all of the OMNI hosts are Sick. <g> Bohemund : LOL! MOTION : Outta here! OMNI Cyber : Night, Motion. MToney : Or at least slightly warped! Bohemund : Edge seemed all right last night, Cyber! ;) MToney : Night Motion! OMNI Cyber : True, MT FREDDER : Cyber - did you all get a virus at the last staff meeting? MToney : LOLOL! Badgerkat : Time for beddies. It's been grand--y'all are a hoot! I send virtual hugs as I snore off. Shadowjak : Nite MOTION OMNI Cyber : Bo...Edge is always cool. Bohemund : 'Night Badger! MToney : Night Badger! LiveZombie : 'nite, BKat Adda : Bye, Badger :) FREDDER : nite Badger, Motion Bohemund : LOL! 'Cept when it comes to macros, right? ;) OMNI Cyber : Fredder....nope we all are just sick old people. LOL OMNI Cyber : Nite, Badger. Shadowjak : Nite Badger Adda : Edge is macro-impaired? ;) JasonB2001 : Lynex-1..is my favorite cyborg..... MToney : ROFLMAO!!! Shadowjak : He was outta here quick.....musta been MOTION sivkness:) Bohemund : No, just macrocentric, Adda. OMNI Cyber : Okay....let's hit the topic on Androids and Robots. Anyone have any favorites from their reading?? FREDDER : Jason - who is Lynex-1? Adda : Perhaps he thought ya'll were contagious? OMNI Cyber : Jason.....Lynex-1?????? Bohemund : Absolutely, Cyber -- my all-time favorite is Asimov's Giskard. FREDDER : Giskard was fun - so was Daneel! OMNI Cyber : Good choice, Bo. :) Adda : I think that's my cue. Ta ta, folks. :) Bohemund : Giskard -- The Thinking Man's Robot. MToney : Night Adda! OMNI Cyber : Nite, Adda. :( Bohemund : 'Night Adda! Shadowjak : My stomach is re enacting the big bang, but I don't think thats contagious:) MToney : <===votes for R Daneel Olivaw, second for Robbie OMNI Cyber : R. Daneel was also a very neat character. FREDDER : gotta go too, all - time's addin up Shadowjak : Nite FREDDER OMNI Cyber : Nite, Fredder. :( MToney : Night Fredder! JasonB2001 : FREDDER...it is from the book...Worlds don't work..I think by Boyens Bohemund : I like Daneel. I also like the one from Bicentennial Man. OMNI Cyber : Thanks for that tip, Jason. OMNI Cyber : :::adding that book to my list:::::: MToney : :::uploading a little iced ginger ale for Shadow::: OMNI Cyber : Hiya, Kikaha OMNI Cyber : Welcome to the OMNI SF/F chat room, a place for SF enthusiasts to gather and chat online. :D Kikaha : hiya Shadowjak : Thanks, MT.......Urrp OMNI Cyber : :::instructing the replicator to serve the pizza and cold drinks::: |> |> |> |> C{_} C{_} C{_} C{_} MToney : That oughtta help, Shadow! JasonB2001 : Cyber...Boyens is an up and coming author...:) Shadowjak : Better! OMNI Cyber : I'll look for him, Jason. :) OMNI Cyber : STAR WARS had C3PO, ST:TNG has Data, 2001 had Hal. Are Robots, Androids and AI computers ... OMNI Cyber : needed in SF to further the stories? Or are they becoming a necessity for the SF writers? JasonB2001 : :) Kikaha : Anyone here read John Crowley? Bohemund : I like a well-placed AI character, Cyber. I hope they don't get gratuitous. Shadowjak : LITTLE BIG JasonB2001 : I am outa-here...:) Shadowjak : Nite, Jason MToney : Dang! Fire alarm!!! Back if I can, folks! OMNI Cyber : Hiya, RDGE OMNI Cyber : Greetings! You've found the OMNI SF/F chat room--a place for great SF conversation! OMNI Cyber : Nite, MT OMNI Cyber : Hiya, YNOTGOLF OMNI Cyber : It's good to see you again in OMNI's SF/F Chat room. Grab something to drink and join us. ;) Shadowjak : Hiya YNOT OMNI Cyber : Hello, SMMc1 OMNI Cyber : Welcome to OMNI's SF/F Chat Room. Tonight is Robot & Android Night. Have anything to share? SMMc1 : Hello YNOTGOLF : hello everyone, hold on gotta get the numbers SMMc1 : I am new to this chat line. Bohemund : Welcome SMM! :D Shadowjak : Welcome, SMMc1 OMNI Cyber : So, Bo...have you seen anything on the new ST Voyager yet? Any Androids? YNOTGOLF : Welcome, SMMc1 OMNI Cyber : Welcome SMMc1. Need any help.....just ask. Bohemund : No androids, but they do have a hologram doctor -- I think he qualifies. SMMc1 : I will thanks. Bohemund : At least, I think he's going to fill the Data void in the new show. Shadowjak : A program, BO? OMNI Cyber : Cool. I don't get the new ST: Voyager here. :( YNOTGOLF : Hey OMNI,36 on the Debwatch. Bohemund : Yeah, I saw a show previewing it tonight. OMNI Cyber : :D SMMc1 : I saw a 30 minute special on V. on the sci fi channel It was great. OMNI Cyber : Hello, JHall Bohemund : The doctor is actually going to be a medical program housed in the main computer. OMNI Cyber : Hiya, Isis OMNI Cyber : Welcome to the OMNI SF/F chat room, a place for SF enthusiasts to gather and chat online. :D Bohemund : Like a Holodeck thing, but he can show up anywhere on the ship. Shadowjak : Sentient program? OMNI Cyber : Cool idea, Bo. Isis2001 : Hello, Cyber OMNI Cyber : Hello, Moserdon JHall22150 : Hi Omni Cyber OMNI Cyber : Glad you stopped by the OMNI SF/F chat and our discussion on Robots and Androids. Bohemund : Perhaps later, Shadow. I don't think so at first, though. Bohemund : He does interact in a dynamic fashion with the rest of the characters, though. OMNI Cyber : Anyone know when the new ST will be shown? Bohemund : Ours airs here Monday night, Cyber. SMMc1 : the 16 SMMc1 : But I will not be seeing it! Bohemund : Hey Keep! OMNI Cyber : I'm gonna complain to my local stations. No one is carrying it. :( OMNI Cyber : Hiya, Keepiru Keepiru : Hi all! JHall22150 : any comments on previews of new Star Trek prog? Airing here monday. OMNI Cyber : It's good to see you again in OMNI's SF/F Chat room. Grab something to drink and join us. ;) Shadowjak : Hiya, Keepiru!! SMMc1 : Where I live will not be showing it. OMNI Cyber : WB, MT :) Keepiru : Hi shadow! Bohemund : Really Cyber? Paramount didn't pick up a channel in your carrier? Shadowjak : Rehi, MT MToney : (cursing stupid kids that pull alarm boxes) Bohemund : Hey MT! Where's the fire? MToney : Re's, y'all. OMNI Cyber : Nope, Bo.:( Bohemund : Sorry. :( OMNI Cyber : Bo.....Yours is on WXIA, Yes? Bohemund : Ooh, got me there. I guess so (not sure). Keepiru : So what's up in here. Bohemund : My sister is the guardian of Trek in my family. I'm the B5 guardian ;) MToney : <===thought Paramount was piggybacking on Fox temporarily Bohemund : Mebbe so, MT, but we've had a bit of a shakeup with Fox here in Atlanta. SMMc1 : I wish that was true MToney : =======:{O OMNI Cyber : LOL, Bo.....Yep, FOX kicked some butt in Hotlanta. :) Bohemund : Nothing serious -- our CBS station changed to Fox, the Fox station went to the carrier ... SMMc1 : what does =======:{O means Bohemund : of Star Trek, B5, and Time Trax. All went to yet a third channel (cept Trek). OMNI Cyber : ===:o = a fright face. Turn your head sideways. MToney : Whoa! SMMc1 : OHHHHH!! MToney : With a 'stache, SMM! Bohemund : MT uses the fright face with the 'stache, though -- can be confusing! Bohemund : GMTA! MToney : :::shaving::: ================:O Bohemund : What? No haircut? OMNI Cyber : MT...that stache is gonna get singed one of these days. :) OMNI Cyber : Hiya, Dee Anne G OMNI Cyber : Welcome to OMNI's SF/F Chat Room. Tonight is Robot & Android Night. Have anything to share? MToney : And notice how much it grew in those few nanoseconds? OMNI Cyber : Okay.....back on topic...... MToney : LOL, Cyber! OMNI Cyber : When we think of Androids, Data from ST:TNG always comes to mind. Are there any other ... Bohemund : Cyber, I think robots and androids are used because they're good mirrors of us, no? OMNI Cyber : androids that come to mind from SF movies or books? Keepiru : Yeah, does implanted cyberware count? MToney : Robbie! OMNI Cyber : I agree, Bo. :) OMNI Cyber : Sure, Keep. Dee Anne G : r daneel SMMc1 : The robot from lost in space Bohemund : Well, there's always HAL, and Daneel, and Giskard. I won't mention Lost In Space. OMNI Cyber : Hello, VGMassSpec OMNI Cyber : You've just transported into the OMNI SF/F Chat. Grab your chair, get comfy, and join us! ;) Keepiru : Shadowrun, man, lotta cyberware in that one, heavy on simsense and enhancements. MToney : That's the intent of early SF, but modern and future robots wil/should have little or no... Dee Anne G : i thought hal was a computer Keepiru : The niss machine! MToney : humaniform construction, rather, form follows function. VGMassSpec : Hello people what we talking about Bohemund : I've just started Heinlein's "The Moon Is a Harsh Mistress". Cool robot there? Bohemund : Mike? OMNI Cyber : Dee....HAL was a computer with Artificial Intelligence. AI MToney : Or, you could say that HAL was the mind of a huge robot (the spaceship) OMNI Cyber : Yeah.....Mike I think, Bo. Been a long time since I read that one. Keepiru : Niss machine: a tymbrimi made semi-intelligent computer that gets rather sarcastic. Dee Anne G : when you say robot, i don't think of computers with our without AI Dee Anne G : our=or Bohemund : I'm a little slow. Keepiru : The kind of thing that you'd want to take a hammer to. OMNI Cyber : Sorry, Dee....the whole topic is Robots, Androids and AI Keepiru : Like my computer right now. MToney : LOL, Keep! Dee Anne G : ah OMNI Cyber : WB, SMMc1 JHall22150 : how about Dewey and Lewie from eh! eh......SILENT RUNNING forgot name of 3rd one VGMassSpec : Data is my hero Bohemund : Actually, under definition 3 in my dictionary, a computer can be called a robot. MToney : "Danger!, Will Robinson!!!" OMNI Cyber : Hiya, MbWanderer OMNI Cyber : It's good to see you again in OMNI's SF/F Chat room. Grab something to drink and join us. ;) SMMc1 : Sorry I got kick out of the system MbWanderer : Cyber!! :D OMNI Cyber : () () () () <--- Punt pillows for SMMc Bohemund : Happens all the time, SMM. It's called being punted. :( OMNI Cyber : *** It's Robots, Androids, AI and Cyborg night. Got any favorites you'd like to talk about? *** Keepiru : in Startide, every time someone mentions the niss machine, there's a quote following about s Keepiru : mashing it to little pieces with something. MToney : <===likes remote-controlled police robots! Keepiru : Kind of like HAL. Bohemund : Cyborg = Cybernetic Organism, right? MToney : :::applauding Bo::: OMNI Cyber : MT...like in Robocop? MToney : Similar. Bohemund : Mixture of biology and electronics? OMNI Cyber : Bo.....you are correct, sir. :) JHall22150 : It's huey, dewie and lewie forget the spelling : O) Bohemund : Okay. Then, is Stephen Hawking a cyborg? MToney : And who coined the term CyBorg? OMNI Cyber : Hiya, Rebecca OMNI Cyber : Hello, XIRA ROM OMNI Cyber : Greetings! You've found the OMNI SF/F chat room--a place for great SF conversation! MToney : Not integrated with his electronics, Bo. SMMc1 : no, he is not Rebecca936 : Hello ;) XIRA ROM : hello OMNI Cyber : *** Tonight the topic deals with Androids, Robots and Cyborgs. Have a favorite character? *** Bohemund : Why not? SMMc1 : Hello SMMc1 : he wears an exosuit MbWanderer : But where do you draw the line. Maybe he is, in a primitive way. JHall22150 : Is this about robots, i seem to be having a conversation with myself :-( OMNI Cyber : Hello, GERMS 1977 OMNI Cyber : Glad you stopped by the OMNI SF/F chat and our discussion on Robots and Androids. GERMS 1977 : HI MToney : Yes it is, JHall! MbWanderer : He's only functional with the electronics OMNI Cyber : Hiya, KC!!!!!! MToney : KC! OMNI Cyber : It's good to see you again in OMNI's SF/F Chat room. Grab something to drink and join us. ;) MbWanderer : KC!! Shadowjak : Hey, KC KCdgw : rehi folks! OMNI Cyber : :::instructing the replicator to serve the pizza and cold drinks::: |> |> |> |> C{_} C{_} C{_} C{_} Bohemund : Definition of "Cybernetics": The study of human control functions and of mechanical ... SMMc1 : Think in terms of the Six Million Dollar Man MToney : But he exists without them. He cannot interact with those others of his race (us!) though. Bohemund : and electronic systems designed to replace them. KCdgw : :::sips replicated Harveys Bristol Cream:::: Dee Anne G : gotta go all....have a good one OMNI Cyber : Nite, Dee. :) JHall22150 : no anchovies on mine :-) MToney : Night Dee Anne! SMMc1 : Good Night MbWanderer : Does he have a Cybernetic voice box? OMNI Cyber : Hello, Infomancer OMNI Cyber : Welcome to OMNI's SF/F Chat Room. Tonight is Robot & Android Night. Have anything to share? Bohemund : How many human control functions is Dr. Hawking capable of without electronics? MToney : The key word being replace, Bo. Not enhance, replace. SMMc1 : No, he has a voice destorter Shadowjak : Love that replicator, KC.....Had Haggis tonight and washed it down with kumiss! :) SMMc1 : Spelling?? MbWanderer : He can't walk, or talk. Thopse have been replaced. MToney : Euuuuwww! Rebecca936 : None Bohemund. ;( OMNI Cyber : Welcome Back, Keep. Bohemund : But MT, isn't "enhancing" a lost control function by definition "replacement"? Keepiru : ::Shaking head:: Either Crinth is getting a little over-eager with this between thing, or th Keepiru : at was one hell of a punt? Keepiru : ! KCdgw : Haggis!, Shadow...folowed by shortbread, no doot! ;) Shadowjak : Re's Keep Rebecca936 : Haggis??? MToney : Fine line, Bo. Hawking apparently can communicate "some" things, but to communicate on... MbWanderer : Point is, is he complete without electronics. I bet he would say no. Shadowjak : "xactly, KC MToney : upper intellectual levels is dependent on electronics. Infomancer : I have an idea - could a robot be equipped with magnetic connections to its lombs, allowing it to... KCdgw : Rebecca, the national dish of Scotland Infomancer : detach its limbs selectively and replace them with other ones? Infomancer : lombs=limbs JHall22150 : what are lombs??? Keepiru : ::::Staggering over to shadow:::: Yeah, you too, if i can command this stupid mechframe to s Keepiru : tand straight? Shadowjak : Stuffed Sheep's stomach.......yum! Keepiru : ! MbWanderer : Rebeeca is the national dish of where? KCdgw : Aye laddie! OMNI Cyber : LOL, Shadow. MToney : ROFL! Bohemund : Okay, I concede the fine point. How about a prosthetic arm capable of function? OMNI Cyber : Hiya, Spring. MToney : MacShadow! OMNI Cyber : Greetings! You've found the OMNI SF/F chat room--a place for great SF conversation! Keepiru : Bohemund, they're already theorizing that. Infomancer : How about several, Bohemund? MToney : Yes. Gotta nod on that one, Bo. Rebecca936 : Oatmeal, sheep parts, in the stomach, then steamed!! GAAAAAA\! Keepiru : lol infomancer KCdgw : <---member MacDonald clan...somewhere back JHall22150 : OK you happy people Byeeeee Bohemund : Where do we make the cut between "enhanced" man and cyborg? OMNI Cyber : Nite, JHall Shadowjak : would that ah cood take credit for it, Laddie MToney : Ah, I leave that up to others, Bo! Bohemund : Aw, don't get squeamish now, MT! :D KCdgw : Fine line, Bo.. Keepiru : Bohemund, if the enhancement is cybernetic, call it cyborg. MToney : Ah's lak a wee slice o' that Haggis, there, Shadow m'lad! Bohemund : How about a pacemaker? Keepiru : ::::Feeling nauseous over the haggis:::: SMMc1 : there hasn't been any distinction between enhanced and being a cyborg Infomancer : Hm- I don't think there's really much of a distinction - it's more of a continual gradation between... Keepiru : SMM, enhancements can also be genetic. MbWanderer : Right, a spectrum... MToney : I'd say when electromechanicals *absolutely* take over a lost or dimished function... SMMc1 : with the exception outward appearance Rebecca936 : The "Scots" are TOTALLY sick! MToney : then that person could be considered a CyBorg. SMMc1 : True Shadowjak : ach, fer you, m'lad......a big steamin' pile a Haggis.....here ye go! MToney : But... but... REBECCA! They have us bagpipes!!! Keepiru : A pacemaker hardly qualifies as cybernetics. Bohemund : Would that person then cease to be human? MbWanderer : OK Pacemaker=cyborg. Infomancer : humanity and robot-ness. Enhanced human would be just a small ways from a human, while a cyborg... Bohemund : Why not, Keep? Keepiru : Shadow...Please... MToney : Negative, Bo! KCdgw : (all the more for us, Shadow) Infomancer : is farther along the way. MbWanderer : Maybe Cyborg inplies brain interface to electronics. Keepiru : Cybernetics i think is Input/output. Like a robotic limb. SMMc1 : Cyborg is the end product (advance version of enhanced man) MbWanderer : implies Shadowjak : Swig a meade ta wash it down me man? OMNI Cyber : C{_} C{_} C{_} C{_} <--- Pan Galactic GargleBlasters for everyone!! };> Bohemund : Regulating the heartbeat is a human control function. Replacing it is cybernetics. MbWanderer : I agree, Boh. MToney : Swig a' Dr. Pepper. Ach! KCdgw : <--setles for a wee dram Keepiru : ::::Grabbing mead, gulping down to supress nausea of haggis:::: Bohemund : That's not the definition of cybernetics, Keep. Infomancer : ::getting brains bashed out with lemon wrapped around gold brick:: MToney : Replacing the regulation, you mean. Keepiru : Cybernetics is robotics. Bohemund : Yes. Keepiru : and its interaction with humans. Bohemund : Not true. Might want to consult the dictionary on that term. :) Infomancer : I think there's a difference between cybernetics and robotics. MToney : :::going to sit next to Bo::: MbWanderer : Oh, a scotsman clad in kilt, left a bar one evening fair... MToney : Easy, Mb! Bohemund : ::: making room for MT ::: OMNI Cyber : Hiya, Cake. OMNI Cyber : Welcome to the OMNI SF/F chat room, a place for SF enthusiasts to gather and chat online. :D Infomancer : Then again, I take that back. They're different facets of one field. Cake I : what's the topic tonight? OMNI Cyber : *** Tonight we are discussing Robots, Androids and Cyborgs. *** Cake I : OK! Keepiru : How about this. Would you consider your computer cybernetic? MToney : Eh, I'd not equate cybernetics with robotics, Keep. Cybernetics implies a human... MToney : interface, while robotics doesn't. Cake I : if it online it is.... Keepiru : Exactly my point! Infomancer : I was about to bring that point up, MT, but I droppred it. They're too similar for me. KCdgw : I find it interesting that we keep dancing around the one central question: how do we define KCdgw : human? Keepiru : Cybernetics is robotics dealing with human interaction! Bohemund : Not really, not with the definition I have. Cake I : not human----> Sentient! Keepiru : Cyberspace, cyberware, cyberdecks, etc. SMMc1 : Terminator was considered a cyborg although he wasn't technically alive MbWanderer : Good one, KC MToney : Okay, more finite... a definite mechanical/human physical link. Bohemund : Here's the dictionary's definition: "The study of human control functions and of ... Bohemund : mechanical and electric systems designed to replace them.": MToney : Yeah, KC, let's ditch the human aspect and broaden it to include sentient creatures. Keepiru : Guys, i gotta go here. Bye all, may the force, ifni, and all that live long and prosper stu Keepiru : ff be with you... Bohemund : 'Night Keep! MToney : Night Keep! OMNI Cyber : Nite, Keep. stop in again. Shadowjak : Nite keep MbWanderer : Bye Keep. OMNI Cyber : Hiya, SHAPEFAST Infomancer : See ya, Keep! OMNI Cyber : Welcome to the OMNI SF/F chat room, a place for SF enthusiasts to gather and chat online. :D Keepiru : ::::Calling Crinth out of between with the force:::: KCdgw : <---still likes the human-ness to remain intact Keepiru : Taking off rather fast:::: Bohemund : At what point does the human-ness leave the cyborg, KC? MToney : Well, that was in keeping with the SF nature of the chatroom, KC. OMNI Cyber : Hello, JGreenw708 OMNI Cyber : Greetings! You've found the OMNI SF/F chat room--a place for great SF conversation! KCdgw : That, Bo, is a truly crucual question...one that fascinates me MbWanderer : Humanness oin the brain. OMNI Cyber : Welcome Back YNOT Infomancer : Would cybernetically enhanced lower animals be off the topic too much? How about cyber-plants? OMNI Cyber : *** Tonight the topic deals with Androids, Robots and Cyborgs. Have a favorite character? *** MToney : I gotta agree, Mb. YNOTGOLF : I got cut off somehow thanks, Cyber Cake I : DATA OMNI Cyber : WB, SMMC YNOTGOLF : R2D2 KCdgw : 'Control function' could be the mind, in my thinking MbWanderer : Tho that's an oversimplification. MToney : :::handing SMMc a tether::: MbWanderer : Right, KC. OMNI Cyber : LOL, MT SMMc1 : What did I miss? I got kick again Bohemund : Could it be that "cyborg" will be the future's derogatory term for mechanically-enhanced man Shadowjak : Do you hold with the Turing test, KC? SMMc1 : could be MToney : Good one, Shadow! KCdgw : <--finds the Turing test very seductive OMNI Cyber : Hello, ONGOER OMNI Cyber : Glad you stopped by the OMNI SF/F Chat Room. Pull up your keyboard and join us! ;D Bohemund : Can we agree that "control function" is man's ability to control his mind and body? MToney : I'd bet on it, Bo. The human race seems bent on being top dog, so to speak, and is... KCdgw : Ok... MToney : continually looking for someone to be superior to. MbWanderer : Sure... Infomancer : <-- Would like to see three computers face off in a Turing test Bohemund : Then, it seems to follow that any mechanical device designed to replace lost function is ... Bohemund : cybernetic. No? MToney : Example? Bohemund : A pacemaker. KCdgw : Yes, Bo. Shadowjak : There are lots of submissives in la Chateau, MT :) MbWanderer : Sure... MToney : LOLOL, Shadow! MToney : Hmmm. Bohemund : And, by definition, any human for whom a control function is cybernetic is a cyborg? SMMc1 : I am leaving for a liitle while I 'll be back. ONGOER : WE are bent on our own destruction OMNI Cyber : Nite, SMMC MToney : I'm still wrestling with pacemaker=cyberneic device. Cake I : are you saying someone w/ a pacemaker is a cyborg? OMNI Cyber : How so, ONGOER? SMMc1 : Nite MToney : Seeya soon, SMM! Shadowjak : In that that implies an electronic interface, yes, Bo MbWanderer : Bye sMM Bohemund : I'm asking. Doesn't a pacemaker mechanically regulate the beat of the heart? YNOTGOLF : bye, SMM KCdgw : ::::feeling the ring of logic in my nose being pulled inexorably onward::: OMNI Cyber : Yes it does, Bo. Cake I : yes .... Shadowjak : A pacemaker creates a cyborg, yes OMNI Cyber : LOL, KC. :) Bohemund : ... And the beat of the heart is a natural function of the brain, right? MbWanderer : I think the problem is, we've got negative feeling for the word.. Cyborg. MToney : Okay, I'll go along. I'd also consider a person with an artificial skeleton (or piece... Bohemund : Sorry, the brain and the nervous system. KCdgw : Bo rules! MToney : thereof) at least partially CyBorg. Bohemund : LOL! OMNI Cyber : KC..... Bo knows EVERYTHING. Cake I : my grandma is a Cyborg!!!! OMNI Cyber : Hello, HYPERGLO MbWanderer : LOL OMNI Cyber : Welcome to the OMNI SF/F Chat. Grab some virtual pizza and join in the conversation! :) Bohemund : Now, how about the ability to communicate? A human control function? Cake I : what a concept! KCdgw : <eyes wide> Infomancer : Would it be at all concievable to create a robotic tree? MToney : Artificial hip joint, Cake? OMNI Cyber : WB, ONGOER Shadowjak : The question is what types of prostheses don't invoke the term cybor? non electronic? Cake I : no- pacemaker. Shadowjak : cyborg MToney : Ah! OMNI Cyber : Good question, Shadow. Bohemund : Mechanical or electronic, Shadow. Bohemund : Okay, if communication is too complex, what about locomotion? Human control function? Shadowjak : Mechanical? a crutch is technically "mechanical" OMNI Cyber : Hello, Lisa. :) OMNI Cyber : You've just transported into the OMNI SF/F Chat. Grab your chair, get comfy, and join us! ;) Lisa424971 : HI KCdgw : Well, now that all the cyborgs can come out of the closet...how far can we take it? Where MToney : (Oooh! Bo's trying to stir us up!) YNOTGOLF : Hi Lisa ONGOER : A pacemaker simply stimulates the right atrium of the heart with electricity Lisa424971 : what's up? MbWanderer : Eh.. chatted out... Bye Cyber... THanks. Bye KC... all.... OMNI Cyber : *** Tonight the topic deals with Androids, Robots and Cyborgs. Have a favorite character? *** KCdgw : does the ability to remain a sentient being remain intact, and where would it break down? MToney : Night Mb! OMNI Cyber : Nite, Mb Shadowjak : Nite mb Cake I : night mb KCdgw : nite mb! YNOTGOLF : nite mb ONGOER : nite mb Bohemund : ... thereby replacing a human control function by electrical means, right, ONGOER? Bohemund : 'Night Mb! :D MToney : Okay! Okay! If the "human" personality were somehow able to be ported over to... ONGOER : exactly Lisa424971 : fav android or robot? MToney : a mechanical device, thus retaining it's "humanity", but everything else was ... MToney : artificial in nature or origin, would that person be a Cyborg? OMNI Cyber : Sure Lisa. :) Right now we are discussin Cyborgs and the definition. YNOTGOLF : like Terminator? Shadowjak : I don't think that mechanical qualifies (personal opinion) KCdgw : of course Bohemund : In order for that to be true, MT, we'd need to define the essence of "humanity" ONGOER : it "preserves" the human quality Lisa424971 : how about Marvin the depressed robot? Shadowjak : pacemaker, yes.......artificial knee, no MToney : Assume your personal interpretation, for the moment, Bo. KCdgw : yeah, that dang human thang... Infomancer : "Life! Don't talk to me about life!" - Marvin OMNI Cyber : Hello, RLBALDWIN OMNI Cyber : Thanks for stopping by the OMNI SF/F Chat Room. Kick off your shoes and join right in. :D RLBALDWIN : Hi KCdgw : LOL info! Bohemund : IMHO, no. You talked about sentience and humanity, but not biology ... Lisa424971 : they would have Genuine People Personalities Bohemund : that leaves out the second part of Cyborg -- the organism. MToney : So your definition would have to include some element of biologics? Shadowjak : thus far considered incidental :) OMNI Cyber : WB, SMMc Bohemund : Not my definition. The definition. YNOTGOLF : goodnite all, talk to you tomorrow Doc. SMMc1 : I' am Back OMNI Cyber : Hello, SHRich OMNI Cyber : It's good to see you again in OMNI's SF/F Chat room. Grab something to drink and join us. ;) OMNI Cyber : Nite, YNOT KCdgw : yes, shadow...somehow MToney : Night YNOT! SHRich : Hiho. What's the buzz? OMNI Cyber : Right now we are discussin Cyborgs and the definition. MToney : THE definition? Cake I : they say my grandma is a cyborg. Bohemund : Cyborg = Cybernetic Organism. Didn't we agree on that? MToney : LOL! OMNI Cyber : Hiya, Bernie OMNI Cyber : It's good to see you again in OMNI's SF/F Chat room. Grab something to drink and join us. ;) MToney : Define organism. OMNI Cyber : C{_} C{_} C{_} C{_} <--- Pan Galactic GargleBlasters for everyone!! };> Bernie2001 : Hi Cyber Infomancer : Did we ever agree on what "cybernetic" and "organism" mean? KCdgw : True bo <ring of logic in nose backs up> SHRich : Van Cyborg, the piano player? MToney : We haven't even agreed on "humanity" Info! LOLOL! Infomancer : LOL Shadowjak : bak....Hi Bernie Bernie2001 : Hi Shadow SMMc1 : If i am kick out again I will be calling it a nite! ( this ia an advance goodnite) KCdgw : When all biologic elements are 'replaced' , then we have a horese of...ah, forget it! Shadowjak : LOL, SHR Bohemund : Hmmmm. Good point, MT. Here's what I've got: "Organism: 1. A form of life composed ... OMNI Cyber : LOL, SMMc. :) MToney : I'd have to define organism as anything that is or imitates biological life. Cake I : imitates? SMMc1 : What does LOL means MToney : Emulates? SHRich : I had an algebra teacher that fit that description OMNI Cyber : LOL = Laughing Out Loud Bohemund : of mutually dependant parts that maintain various vital processes." MToney : Laughing Out Loud, SMM. Bernie2001 : LOL Infomancer : I'd go with that definition - but what is "biological life"? KCdgw : <---boss does a great imitation of of biological life OMNI Cyber : SMMc1 To get a list of the shorthands used online, just go to Keyword: SHORTHANDS. SMMc1 : ok LOL MToney : ROFLMAO, KC! Bohemund : 2. Any form of animal or plant life." OMNI Cyber : LOL, KC MToney : Too narrow. Rooted in "ancient" science. Bohemund : To continue, we'd need to define the parameters of "life." KCdgw : oooh I like this thread! Cake I : organic would have to be cellular- it couldn't "imitate" it. MToney : :::stripping off gauntlets::: Bohemund : Definition one is too narrow?? It's almost an equation, for Pete's sake! KCdgw : organic implies carbon-based MToney : "Life." Infomancer : IMHO, "life" is the ability to reproduce, and the necessity of nourishment. MToney : What is "to live?" Shadowjak : "parameters of life?" This I can't wait to see! :) OMNI Cyber : KC....organic implying carbon-based.....as far as we now know. :) Infomancer : And, IMHO, organic is _not necessarily_ carbon-based. Bohemund : Oh, come on, MT! Should I just upload the dictionary to you, or what? :D Shadowjak : What about viruses, Infa? MToney : :::charging thermonuclear "Bo-blaster"::: ROFLMAO!!! OMNI Cyber : Cool, Bo....upload!!!! Shadowjak : info OMNI Cyber : Hello, SoftPinch KCdgw : Of course, cyber! OMNI Cyber : Welcome to the OMNI SF/F Chat! Home of inquisitive minds, great chat, and friendly people! :D OMNI Cyber : Re's SHRich Infomancer : Viruses are alive, according to biology. Bohemund : "To Live" has 31 definitions in my dictionary, MT. Where should I start? ;) MToney : Seriously, Bo, I think "life" is very close to needing to be redefined. KCdgw : Viruses tread a fine line Shadowjak : gray area SoftPinch : hi, one and all MToney : Hiya, SP! OMNI Cyber : Hello, Chancej OMNI Cyber : Thanks for stopping by the OMNI SF/F Chat Room. Kick off your shoes and join right in. :D OMNI Cyber : Hiya, JeffDCamp Chancej : hello MToney : It's current definition seems to be very "biocentric." OMNI Cyber : You've just transported into the OMNI SF/F Chat. Grab your chair, get comfy, and join us! ;) Bohemund : I agree, MT, but here's definition 1: KCdgw : Very very true, MT MToney : For example, I hold that a computer such as HAL should be deemed to be alive. Shadowjak : given the species doing the "defining", MT I'm not surprised:) Cake I : did HAL pass the Turing? Bohemund : "Life: The condition that distinguishes animals and plants from inorganic objects and ... KCdgw : Yes, cake :) MToney : Yeah, Shadow, that's the source and perhaps that's the problem I'm having with the... MToney : definition. Shadowjak : HAL was sick and asked for a make up Turing:) MToney : LOL! OMNI Cyber : LOL, Shadow. KCdgw : LOL! Infomancer : ROTFL Bohemund : ... dead organisms, being manifested by growth through metabolism, reproduction, and .. OMNI Cyber : Hiya, Vegee OMNI Cyber : Glad you stopped by the OMNI SF/F Chat Room. Pull up your keyboard and join us! ;D Vegee : Hi, what's up tonight? Bohemund : the power of adaptation to environment through changes originating internally." Cake I : you think just because a computer can pass the Turing it is "alive"? MToney : Okay, Bo, but you see *my* point? OMNI Cyber : We're presently discussing AIs, Computers and Life. :) Cake I : I doubt it!! OMNI Cyber : Hiya, Cat Ruled. LTNS OMNI Cyber : It's good to see you again in OMNI's SF/F Chat room. Grab something to drink and join us. ;) Cat Ruled : :::waving paw::: Hi! Remember me? SHRich : CAT! Bohemund : That we're biocentric in defining life? MToney : No, no, no, Cake! I don't hold with the Turing test at all! KCdgw : Not alive, Cake...sentient, yes MToney : CATTT!!!!!!!!!!! Shadowjak : Hi Cat! Cat Ruled : :::purring for Rich:::: OMNI Cyber : :::::root beer for the CAT:::::::: Cake I : good!!!! you shouldn't! SHRich : ::stroking cat under chin:: Cat Ruled : Hello everyone!!!!! Infomancer : I say we amend Bo's definition to "The ability to manifest growth through... KCdgw : Cat! Cat Ruled : :::sipping rootbeer::: Ahhhhh! OMNI Cyber : ::::::uploading POUNCE for CAT:::::: Cake I : I meant sentient when I said alive. KCdgw : <---has 7 cats OMNI Cyber : Big difference, Cake. :) Cat Ruled : Hi CYber, Shawdow, MT! Bohemund : I think you might be putting the cart before the horse, MT ... Cat Ruled : Good going, KC!!!! :D Cat Ruled : BO!!!!! KCdgw : :) OMNI Cyber : CAT......We're presently discussing AIs, Computers and Life. :) Bohemund : We have the term "life" to describe the condition I outlined in my definition ... MToney : Hmmm. Could be, Bo. Shadowjak : <--waiting for Info to finish Infomancer : I need to go - I need to establish my status as a living being ;-) (dinner) Bye all! Cat Ruled : :::chomping Pounce and settling back::: MToney : Night Info! Cake I : bye info OMNI Cyber : Nite, Info. :( Shadowjak : Nite, Info:) KCdgw : nite info! Infomancer : Oh, and those ellipsis meant to continue with Bo's definition verbatim. See ya! Bohemund : That which does not fulfill those criteria is not life. We have no term for that because .. Bohemund : we have no experience in other forms of, say, dynamic existence on the scale you mean. OMNI Cyber : Hiya, CGierhart OMNI Cyber : Glad you stopped by the OMNI SF/F Chat Room. Pull up your keyboard and join us! ;D Shadowjak : Gotcha CGierhart : Greetings OMNI Cyber : We're presently discussing AIs, Computers and Life. :) MToney : Right. That's why it's still called Science FICTION! :{D CGierhart : Artificial Intelligence? Bohemund : So, until then, we can call it Not-Life. How's that? OK? Cat Ruled : Hee heee OMNI Cyber : Re's, Chance Bohemund : Hi Cat! ;) MToney : "Near-life?" Cat Ruled : Biologiacally challenged? SHRich : Beware of giggling felines! MToney : Like "near-beer?" OMNI Cyber : Yes, CGierhart Chancej : hi first time in omni and shopping around Bohemund : No, it's not near life because it's not near the definition of life. It is Not-Life. KCdgw : Metabolically different? Cat Ruled : :D Shadowjak : That's the equivalent of saying "only black is black" because we've seen no other version of black:) Bohemund : That's as specific as we can get at this point, no? Cake I : just because a computer can pass a Turing doesn't make it self-aware (my definition of MToney : Welcome to Chaos, Chance! OMNI Cyber : Welcome, Chance. Need any help.....just ask. Cake I : sentience) MToney : At this point, I'd agree, Bo. Chancej : thanks KCdgw : How so, cake? OMNI Cyber : :) CGierhart : Cake: How do you know I am self aware? MToney : But just you wait, young man! :{D CGierhart : There's the rub Cat Ruled : Because you just refered to yourself, CG Bohemund : Well, Shadow, if we define "black" as the absence of reflected light, there's only one kind. Cake I : it can give a human enough info to make the human believe it is human--- but how do we know Cake I : if it is self-aware? MToney : "I chat, therefore I am." CGierhart : Hoe do you know anyone or think is self aware other han yourself? Chancej : nite OMNI Cyber : Nite, Chance Cake I : there needs to be a test for self-awareness. Cat Ruled : :::downing another swig of rootbeer::: I am CAT, therefore I am! CGierhart : (God I can't spell) KCdgw : It self-aware enough to convince us... CGierhart : I thought therefore I was Shadowjak : and if we choose to define life as "biological" in format only we can stop trying to define it:) SHRich : Have cat use your leg for a scatching post, Cake. If it stings, you live. KCdgw : cogito ergo spud Cat Ruled : All those that are self-aware, raise a paw! :::raising Paw::: OMNI Cyber : I borrow.....therefore the bank says I am. :) CGierhart : Hey KC MToney : Cogito ergo Spam! Bohemund : We'll come up with another term for Not-Life when we come across it ... OMNI Cyber : WB, ONGOER MToney : LOL! Bohemund : we are, after all, the "naming apes". ;) KCdgw : cg! CGierhart : Oh no not spam! Cat Ruled : :::laughing into whiskers::: Good one Rich! MToney : Good one, Bo! Cat Ruled : *Spam* Shadowjak : artful in our appelations, too......Ain't we? Cake I : I need a spam.wav KCdgw : beats 'naked apes' for a name, Bo MToney : A right loony bunch to boot, eh? Cat Ruled : :::waving at CG with can of SPAM:::: Bohemund : LOL! CGierhart : OK, let's all do the spam .wav Cake I : someone want to send me one? KCdgw : <---likes spam CGierhart : spam, spam, spam and eggs Shadowjak : <--Brachiating to prove that I am "life" :) Cat Ruled : ~~~~~~~~~~ <- spam wave MToney : <=== has a 10 second Spam.wav that I *won't* do SHRich : <--- has no sound card :( OMNI Cyber : Okay.....what do you all think about the possibility of Clones some day??????? OMNI Cyber : Do you think we will ever create androids like Data or will we end up with clones that... OMNI Cyber : do the slave labor for us instead? Cat Ruled : <--- doesn't do WAV MToney : Ah, clones!!! KCdgw : Very possible, Cyber... Bohemund : I don't know, Cyber. We've got an awful lot of people right now as it is. OMNI Cyber : Hello, Dellsalt CGierhart : It will happen. If w can do it, we will Cake I : clones scar me. OMNI Cyber : Thanks for stopping by the OMNI SF/F Chat Room. Kick off your shoes and join right in. :D Shadowjak : ahhh.....Moral issues:) Cake I : scare me MToney : Back to the definition of humanity and human rights, Cyber! Dellsalt : Hi Cyber Cake I : how do I know which is me?> Cat Ruled : Morals! We don' nedd no stinkin' morals! Bohemund : Agreed, Shadow. Some jerk'll no doubt shoot up a lab in the name of life. CGierhart : Just ask you Shadowjak : 'xactly MToney : "I was here first." "No, I was." "Yeah, but mom loved me more." Bohemund : LOL! Cake I : LOL MT! CGierhart : After all, aren't twins clones? Bohemund : We already have clones. They're called "siblings" KCdgw : As a card-carrying member of Homo Sapiens, it gladdens me to see us all having to OMNI Cyber : Well...do you think Clones will become second class citizens with their own bill of rights? OMNI Cyber : Hello, David. OMNI Cyber : Welcome to the OMNI SF/F Chat. Grab some virtual pizza and join in the conversation! :) KCdgw : wrestle mightily with our own definition... Shadowjak : Brain abortion in clones........when do you draw the line? CGierhart : No, clones will just be people like everyone else OMNI Cyber : Hi There SwampDemon OMNI Cyber : You've just transported into the OMNI SF/F Chat. Grab your chair, get comfy, and join us! ;) SwampDemon : Hi doc.... Bohemund : The only possible real use I can see for clones is replacement parts. Not cool for clones. MToney : I think we'd probably be more likely to see clones of championship animals such as... Shadowjak : 3rd trimester........15th year? Cat Ruled : Yeah--- EXACTLY like everyone else!!! :D MToney : cows and such, and never see humans cloned. Cake I : will the second twin in a set count as a "clone" KCdgw : We already have clones! Identical twins! SHRich : Does the world need more than one Donny Osmund CGierhart : Oh, oh, clone wars Cake I : as second class? OMNI Cyber : LOL, Rich Shadowjak : They're not THAT identical MToney : Twins/siblings don't count. Different genetic structure. Similar, yes, but not identical. CGierhart : Help me Obi Wan Cat Ruled : <--- Unique. Can't be cloned. Accept NO immitations Bohemund : Actually, I was wrong. A clone necessitates asexual reproduction. Bohemund : Anybody still interested in clones? ;) Cat Ruled : <-- can't type though.... Cake I : OK- but the THIRD twin is a clone! KCdgw : Identical twins are clones... CGierhart : Bring on the clones Cake I : third in triplets I meant. MToney : LOL, Cake! SHRich : But can you be upgraded, Cat? (Like C'Mell) Cat Ruled : LOL CG!!! MToney : Frag! LTNS! OMNI Cyber : Hiya, Frag EmAll. LTNS OMNI Cyber : It's good to see you again in OMNI's SF/F Chat room. Grab something to drink and join us. ;) CGierhart : Can spam be cloned? OMNI Cyber : Hello, ManOMagic OMNI Cyber : Thanks for stopping by the OMNI SF/F Chat Room. Kick off your shoes and join right in. :D KCdgw : Our development determines our individuality... Cake I : I still don't have my spam.wav : ( Cat Ruled : <-- never needs an upgrade Bohemund : No, CG -- you need organic material for a clone. Spam has none. CGierhart : That's it: spam wars! Shadowjak : Dang........guess I better take back that Cat Ruled Clone I bought on the street corner then...and ManOMagic : hello all MToney : Spam *is* cloned! Deep in an underground lab in Wyoming there sits a little... Cat Ruled : LOL Shadow!!! Shadowjak : that guy guaranteed me , too! SwampDemon : Should I call you Cyber or DOC...? MToney : pink slab that's used as a genetic donor for all cans currently on grocery shelves! OMNI Cyber : Cyber Frag EmAll : Catruled!, MTonet, Cyber!! 'ello to ya all! CGierhart : Yeah, in area 52 or something. Them aliens is doing it. SwampDemon : 'tis I cabala... Cat Ruled : Yuk!!!!! Is that ture MT??? :P OMNI Cyber : Cool, Swamp. :) Cat Ruled : Frag!! MToney : LOL, Cat! CousinItt1 : hi everyone :-) Bohemund : I played an MTonet in grade school. "Jolly Old St. Nicholas", if I remember correctly ;) SwampDemon : }:> OMNI Cyber : Hello,CousinItt Cat Ruled : *Spam* OMNI Cyber : You've just transported into the OMNI SF/F Chat. Grab your chair, get comfy, and join us! ;) CGierhart : Secret underground government base is cloning spam CousinItt1 : greets Cyber :-) SwampDemon : I like cloned SPAM.... OMNI Cyber : ** Right now we are discussing Clones and their place in society. :) ** Cake I : cat - wanna send me a spam.wav? MToney : LOL, Bo! Cat Ruled : And spma Cat Ruled : spam SwampDemon : ON cloned crackers... CousinItt1 : Send in the Clones Frag EmAll : Spam is protoplasmic and poisonous! SwampDemon : lol Bohemund : Cyber, I'm not sure if clones would even be considered part of society. CousinItt1 : Rosemary Cloney CGierhart : Spam made America great KCdgw : Even if we did clone, we would have to raise them when they are born...and they definitely Shadowjak : I should have noticed that the second hand on the clone clicked rather than swept SwampDemon : Spam is the adhesive for the future..... MToney : ROFL, Cousin! OMNI Cyber : Why not, Bo? They'd be of human origin. Cat Ruled : Spam was the star of THE BLOB KCdgw : wiill not demonstrate any traits we would see that are inferuior to us...so i dont see us KCdgw : using them, or justifying using them as slaves... SHRich : I thought Steve McQueen looked a little pink CGierhart : I can't understand why a beings genetics would make a difference to society Cake I : LOL! Bohemund : Yes, but some folks still consider people of other religions or colors "subhuman" .... Bohemund : could you imagine what the prejudice against clones would be like? Cat Ruled : <--- working on a paper linking Spam to Fruitcake CGierhart : Not me Shadowjak : Why clone slaves in an overpopulated world? OMNI Cyber : Well then.....what about Clones for body parts? Cake I : -I- couldn't treat a clone of myself as second class..... no way!! MToney : Much the less for it, too, Bo. Frag EmAll : Spam might be the meat of a mighty food animal like Niven's Bandersnatch in "Known Space" CousinItt1 : if a clone is an exact human, and clones were used vfor transplants- would they be consider> CousinItt1 : ed humans themselves, since they were exact duplicates? Cat Ruled : How would you know who wuz the clone??? Bohemund : Agreed. Agreed. KCdgw : Guess im just a bleleding-heart liberal... MToney : As in "There is only one Spam and one fruitcake, and it's continually passed... OMNI Cyber : Hiya ,Prophyt OMNI Cyber : Thanks for stopping by the OMNI SF/F Chat Room. Kick off your shoes and join right in. :D KCdgw : bleeding SwampDemon : I think someone in MENSA invented SPAM to get rid of the homeless.... MToney : around.", Cat? Bohemund : I'm with Shadow. We have enough people in the world without adding via cloning. CGierhart : I think we will probably clone body parts themselves . . . grow a new arm Cat Ruled : :::Passing band-aid to KC::: Bohemund : MT had the right idea -- probably see cloning in thoroughbreds and stuff like that. Cat Ruled : Exactly MT! MToney : I can see that happening, CG. KCdgw : :::gratefully accepts from Cat::::) Cat Ruled : You've been peeking at my work!!! CGierhart : I don't see cloning as a moral issue MToney : LOLOL! CousinItt1 : then again, if a clone is ME; if there's a draft- send in the clone and I'd stay home Bohemund : But that's not cloning -- that's budding. CGierhart : Clone at home? SwampDemon : What of CLONE rights... KCdgw : A clone is not YOU...its another sentient being CGierhart : Right KC Prophyt : What if you grew a full bodied clone, and kept it under storage for when you might need.... Cat Ruled : MT has been CLONING my research! ===:O MToney : But some SF authors have posited that the personality (or "essence") could be transferred... MToney : from an old and failing body to a newly-cloned one. Prophyt : organ transplants and such, though? Bohemund : LOL! "A blue PLUS means you've successfully cloned yourself. A pink MINUS ... " SwampDemon : Infinite twins.... Frag EmAll : Like that old song, "Send In The Clones"...... Bohemund : The Home Cloning Kit! MToney : ROFL, Bo! Shadowjak : THAT is a moral issue, Prophyt Cat Ruled : Clone Home Alone!!! OMNI Cyber : ROFLMAO, Bo CGierhart : Prop: That would me wrong if it were a clone or not CousinItt1 : Clone Alone Prophyt : How so, Shadowjak? Cake I : there is already one of those Cat! Bohemund : Home, A Clone. Cake I : Home Alone II Prophyt : How would it be wrong, guys? MToney : With Macauley Clonekin? CousinItt1 : that's scary Cat. ONE McCauly Kulkin is bad enuff! Shadowjak : How would you like to be born te clone, Prophyt? OMNI Cyber : LOL, MT Cat Ruled : LOL Cake! Shadowjak : the CGierhart : Home alone with a clone and spam SwampDemon : Why not transfer to silicon..... Cat Ruled : Prophyt!!!! Frag EmAll : Richie Rich Clone MToney : Euuuw! CG!!! Bohemund : Again, Proph -- you'd probably have some nut shooting up the lab staff in the name of life. SHRich : If you clone yourself, are you legally responsible for the clone's orthadontia Cake I : there better not be more than one of McCauly! Prophyt : It's a clone. Your own cells. Clones aren't born. Cat Ruled : Where's the kid??!!! SwampDemon : Siliclone..... Prophyt : They're like skin cells or dead hair you slough. KCdgw : Cloning a sentient being to harvest its parts is , er, repulsive, to say the least Shadowjak : Are you a dentist, SHR? :) MToney : LOL, SH! CousinItt1 : if a clone commits a crime- who would the police blame for fingerprints or DNA? Prophyt : What if they did not have brains? Cake I : definately KC! SHRich : If I were, would I have to ask? CGierhart : KC: what if it's not, and never was setient? OMNI Cyber : Hello, Steve LTNS OMNI Cyber : It's good to see you again in OMNI's SF/F Chat room. Grab something to drink and join us. ;) SwampDemon : Could I clone a bigger johnson..... Bohemund : Not if we could manipulate the DNA code to breed a blank clone, though. Steve630 : Greetings, sentinet. KCdgw : Then they would not be a clone, prophyt! Prophyt : What if tey were simply grown bodies, duplicates of your own, for the express purpose... Prophyt : of using for spare parts? Cake I : GROSS! Prophyt : Hi Cat! SwampDemon : But of the BRAINS.....mind Cat Ruled : :::waving::: Yo!!! OMNI Cyber : ** Right now we are discussing Clones and their place in society. :) ** CousinItt1 : here's an interesting "what if" Bohemund : I see, Proph. Like a duplicate of yourself, but one without the thinking parts, right? CGierhart : Bigger Johnsons, hmmmmmm Cat Ruled : Where's the kid, Prophyt?! MToney : *Someone* would try to say they were human, Prophyt, and tie the mater up in court for... Prophyt : Right! MToney : decades. Prophyt : Not here yet, Cat. OMNI Cyber : Remember...this is a family service. :) Steve630 : Why grow whole bodies? Why not just clone PARTS, not whole bodies? Shadowjak : Then KC is right, that would require genetic manipulation, and it would not be a clone CGierhart : OK Omni, sory Cat Ruled : How could you tell the diference, Prophyt! ;) Frag EmAll : I'll have a pituitary gland with a side of liver, please... OMNI Cyber : ;) SHRich : DOn't clone Don Johnson. The Betty FOrd Clinic's already over booked KCdgw : Yes, Prophyt, taht would be an interesting subprocess of cloning.. SwampDemon : A mind is a terrible thing waste..... Prophyt : MToney, they would be no more human than any other organ kept for transp[lant. MToney : LOL, SH! Cake I : cloning IS a sort of genetic manipulation. OMNI Cyber : Hello, Solarluna Cat Ruled : Pounce is a terrible thing to waste CousinItt1 : Say a clone of Cat killed someone- wouldn't the police go after Cat as well as the clone? OMNI Cyber : You've just transported into the OMNI SF/F Chat. Grab your chair, get comfy, and join us! ;) Bohemund : Not if it were never meant to be, Swamp. Cat Ruled : Hey! Prophyt : They would be no more alive than a limb, or a heart...but they would be compatible with you! CousinItt1 : no offense Cat- just supposing Cat Ruled : <--- hasn't killed anyone......yet MToney : My point, Prophyt, is that *someone* (not me) would try to tag them with the term... SHRich : <--- willing to throw the cat's bail Frag EmAll : You look like the Cat that swallowed the cloned canary.... MToney : "human". Prophyt : They couldn't, Toney. CousinItt1 : SOrry Cat- yours was teh first name I picked at random OMNI Cyber : WB, Keep. Cat Ruled : Rich is my buddy >sniff< Bohemund : Well, I've got to run. Been a long night. Great chat, Cyber! 'Night all! :D Keepiru : Am back. Steve630 : :::pulled away by domestic concerns::: Prophyt : Unlike brain-dead patients...these things wouldn't even have brains to begin with. OMNI Cyber : Nite, Bo. come again Cake I : Keepiru-----> StarTide Rising!!!! KCdgw : It's a fascinating...and probably inevitable tecnology, Prophyt Shadowjak : Me, too.....Night Bo, all MToney : Probably not, but with our currently litiginous-crazy society, it could take decades to... Keepiru : You noticed. MToney : clarify. Keepiru : :) Cake I : : ) Keepiru : or should I say, *Need you ask?* MToney : Night Shadow! Cake I : <-------liked that book! Cat Ruled : Bye Shawdow Prophyt : And think about the use for drug testing, or medical experimentation, as well...? OMNI Cyber : Nite, Shadow. Dellsalt : Good night SwampDemon : Night cyber, all.... OMNI Cyber : Nite, Swamp. Keepiru : Night shadow. Cake I : night swamp1 CousinItt1 : if you clone twins, would that make them quadruplets? CGierhart : Think I'll fade to black. Nite all OMNI Cyber : Re's, FREDDER Cat Ruled : I'm hitting the right keys - the 'puter's putting out the wrong letters KCdgw : It would involve an almost complete knowledge of the developmental process of embryos, FREDDER : Hi all! Back again MToney : Night CG! Prophyt : One could introduce a disease into the "incomplete clone" which would behave just as it.... MToney : LOL, Cat! KCdgw : and a very skillful ability to manipulate it... OMNI Cyber : Hi, N Redwood OMNI Cyber : Glad you stopped by the OMNI SF/F Chat Room. Pull up your keyboard and join us! ;D Keepiru : Fredder! N Redwood : topic? hellooooooo OMNI Cyber : ** Right now we are discussing Clones and their place in society. :) ** N Redwood : hi Cyber FREDDER : Hey Keep! :) Prophyt : would in a human body...but no one would be harmed by it. Then we could test possible cures. N Redwood : clones...hmm.....do they have a place? CousinItt1 : "the Answer my cring, is Clone in the wind"..... CousinItt1 : friend MToney : Ah! Exhaustion creeps up on me. Night all, great chat!!! [[[Cyber]]] Keepiru : Cyber, how about a different place than the clone's clone? KCdgw : LOL It! Cat Ruled : Gotta go wrap my present fot the new Prophyt-tyke FREDDER : nite MT Cake I : bye MT!!! OMNI Cyber : Nite, MT. See ya soon. KCdgw : nite mt! CousinItt1 : Clone with the Wind OMNI Cyber : Hello, KnSB Cat Ruled : Bye MT! OMNI Cyber : Welcome to the OMNI SF/F Chat! Home of inquisitive minds, great chat, and friendly people! :D Prophyt : :) !!! Prophyt : Bye Cat! Cat Ruled : Clone, Clone on the Range... CousinItt1 : bye Cat OMNI Cyber : Nite, Cat. :( Keepiru : Bye cat! CousinItt1 : LOL Cat Cake I : bye cat FREDDER : LOL Cat! Keepiru : Somebody hang up the clone! SHRich : Hey, Cat. I got twelve cloned sardines in this can. What to investigate? Keepiru : lol cat! Cat Ruled : Bye everyone! Bye CYber! KCdgw : Where would we keep it, Prophyt? The Bod Bank? OMNI Cyber : :::waving to Cat:::: KCdgw : nite cat! Prophyt : Why not KC? N Redwood : when we develop clones won't we develop them to use strictly for limb replacements? Keepiru : Keep it archived. Cake I : LOL Keep! N Redwood : and organ replacements FREDDER : bye Cat KnSB : hello Cat Ruled : ::grabbing sardines on way out::: KCdgw : Why not indeed? :) Cat Ruled : :::poof:::: SHRich : Bye,Cat OMNI Cyber : I agree, Red. Keepiru : Clone yourself and put it in stasis freeze as a backup copy. Prophyt : Isn't that what I have been saying? KnSB : hey KC what is the topic Cake I : that is slightly discusting. FREDDER : Wouldn't we have the same pro life people arguing for a clone's viability? Prophyt : And for medical experimentation, as well! OMNI Cyber : KnSB......** Right now we are discussing Clones and their place in society. :) ** Keepiru : Then upgrade yourself when the hardware gets better. Prophyt : Not if the Clone had no brain, FREDDER. KCdgw : Yes, Prohyt..I guess the problem is using the term clone...it usually refers to a complete Keepiru : You could back up your brain! If you forget something, download it! FREDDER : How do you grow a clone with ne brain? Keepiru : Very carefully. KCdgw : organism, not something manipulated to be incomplete...:) FREDDER : ne=no Keepiru : No, not noo, NEE! SHRich : <--- time to check clone experiment in the 'fridge cheese drawer. Prophyt : Well, if ty can grow neuts with feet for antenae, I suppose they could figure out how... Cake I : what if the clone accidently grew a brain? N Redwood : we have too many people on the planet alreasy to bring clones in to become part of society.. Prophyt : to prevent the brain from developing. Cake I : would it be viable then? SHRich : 'night all Keepiru : Then remove the brain1 Keepiru : ! CousinItt1 : nite SHR KCdgw : agreed Proph! OMNI Cyber : Nite, Rich....stop in again. Keepiru : Nite SHR Prophyt : How does anything accidently grow a brain? FREDDER : I did Prophyt... Cake I : but at what point does the brain become human? Keepiru : I dunno, the contrary is true with Dan Quayle. N Redwood : I agree Fredder...clones would have their own special interest group Prophyt : Actually, though...I think nanotechnology would make cloning obsolete. OMNI Cyber : LOL, Prophyt. My ex-boss accidently grew one once. ===:o KCdgw : Some say at conception, Cake OMNI Cyber : Hello, BBaloun OMNI Cyber : Glad you stopped by the OMNI SF/F Chat Room. Pull up your keyboard and join us! ;D BBaloun : Greetings! OMNI Cyber : To create true androids, do you think we will need to perfect nanotechnology first? Cake I : how about a positronic brain? FREDDER : perfect anything Cyber? Keepiru : No, but we will need to create a working humanoid neural net. BBaloun : Never gave it much thought! Prophyt : Not androids, Cyber...an entirely new kind of cyborg. CousinItt1 : if we make clones as spare humans, wouldn't that fall into the category somehow as slavery? Keepiru : Intel has a neural net processor chip that works, only problem is that the thing only has t Cake I : sort of.... Keepiru : he intelligence of a grashopper. OMNI Cyber : So....Nanotechnology will be needed for newer Cyborgs????? Prophyt : No. These clones would be no more than limbs or organs. Simply spare parts! BBaloun : not if they can't think for themselves Keepiru : Still needs work. Cake I : a grasshoper is a start... Prophyt : Sure, Cyber! Think about it.... KCdgw : Yes, It. Thats why cloning a complete being for spare parts is reprehensible Keepiru : So grasshopper, snatch the pebble from my hands! N Redwood : exactly Prophyt...spare parts! Prophyt : Entirely different bodies grown from micro-machines! Cake I : LOL Keep! BBaloun : Think about it, they do the work and we sit at home on AOL! Keepiru : PROCEDURE SnatchPebble (PebblePos,GrabPath:rect, GotPebble:boolean); FREDDER : LOL Keep - (I was trying to come up with one like that but you beat me to it!) OMNI Cyber : Good point, BBaloun CousinItt1 : LOL BB Cake I : LOL keep! BBaloun : Help me out ----What is LOL FREDDER : Wait BB - my wife does that already OMNI Cyber : LOL = Laughing Out Loud CousinItt1 : LOL= laugh out loud Prophyt : Does an arm have rights? Or a heart? Or lungs? Cake I : Laughing Out Loud. Keepiru : launching of lunches CousinItt1 : little old ladies BBaloun : thank you N Redwood : right...clones for medical purposes....androids for other purposes...tasks OMNI Cyber : BBaloun.... To get a list of the shorthands used online, just go to Keyword: SHORTHANDS. Keepiru : An arm has a right or a left. Prophyt : No brain means no personality. No consciousness. Keepiru : No brain means politics. CousinItt1 : Prop- you mean someone like Clinton, huh? KCdgw : True, prophyt, tahts why we dont want to clone a complete being for waht you are Keepiru : No, like Newt. OMNI Cyber : LOL, Cousin. :D FREDDER : Keep - you are moving them out fast tonight! :) Prophyt : Just a living cadaver to use for transplants which will not be rejected. CousinItt1 : True Keep Cake I : he is!! Keepiru : I like 9600. KCdgw : proposing...instead, manipulate our own cells to develop mere parts.. OMNI Cyber : <-- on at 19,200 Keep. :) BBaloun : we're back to cloning again! Cake I : only 14.4 here :( Keepiru : <--going to get a 28,8 for his powerbook FREDDER : Heck - I'm happy I got past 2400 OMNI Cyber : Anyone think genetic manipulation will ever create true Neuromancers? Keepiru : Would like to do 14,4 again, but none of the 14.4 numbers are local to me. Prophyt : Well, night all! Gotta go! CousinItt1 : if an original donor let his arm be cloned, and the original arm developed (for example)> BBaloun : Now that is a very good question?? Keepiru : Maybe we could genetically give ourselves psychic abilities! Cake I : 14.4 is hard to keep from getting dumped. OMNI Cyber : Nite, Prophyt Keepiru : Nite prophyt KCdgw : Nite poroph! CousinItt1 : cancer- would the clone arm develop the same thing? Cake I : night phophyt FREDDER : Somebody is going to do something beyind my ability to comprehend and that will be CousinItt1 : niters Prop KCdgw : geez...proph! FREDDER : magic to me Cyber OMNI Cyber : Good question, Cousin. FREDDER : nite Proph Keepiru : CousinItt, maybe we'll be able to enhance ourselves so that we regenerate new limbs from the Keepiru : torso! Cake I : a third arm? KCdgw : If cancer is genetically transmitted, yes, It FREDDER : Cousin - wouldn't that depend on when the cell was taken for regeneration? Keepiru : Cancer in the arm! cut it off! And you don't need to worry about growing another you! CousinItt1 : I suppose FRED, but if a desease is genetic, then the clone would get it to perhaps FREDDER : You are right - if it's genetic Cake I : unless the disease was removed in the cloning process.... FREDDER : I'm thinkin it the cellular phones though OMNI Cyber : True, Cake. :) Cake I : if they can clone- they can do that too! KCdgw : Then you wouldnt have a clone... Keepiru : Boy, John Wayne Bobbitt may be wishing for something like that right now! Cake I : but good enough! CousinItt1 : LOL KCdgw : ROFLMAO, Keep! OMNI Cyber : LOL, Keep. FREDDER : Are you sure Keep - I hear his porno career is taking off! Keepiru : Taking off, not rising. OMNI Cyber : Okay....please remember that this *IS* a family service. Thanks. :) KCdgw : Limply, I heard... KCdgw : (sorry) Keepiru : alright, alright. sheesh. OMNI Cyber : ;) Cake I : yes--- I'm only 22! CousinItt1 : you hear about the John Bobbit computer virus going around? Cake I : too young to hear this stuff! OMNI Cyber : Hello, Peregrin OMNI Cyber : You've just transported into the OMNI SF/F Chat. Grab your chair, get comfy, and join us! ;) Keepiru : ::::Thought the first amendment was still sacred, oh well.:::: Peregrin12 : Hello KCdgw : <--covering Cakes ears FREDDER : No tell us Cousin! Cake I : thanks! CousinItt1 : the Bpbbit virus cuts off your hard drive into a 3 1/2 floppy Keepiru : ::::Covering KC's eyes:::: Cake I : what about my eyes? FREDDER : LOL OMNI Cyber : *** Tonight the topic deals with Androids, Robots and Cyborgs. Have a favorite character? *** OMNI Cyber : When humanlike robots become a reality, what do you think we will be using them for? KCdgw : LOL, Keep! Keepiru : Bishop from the Aliens movie and Data from TNG. Peregrin12 : When? If, I think. OMNI Cyber : Bishop was cool, Keep. OMNI Cyber : Hiya, SonofHaig. :) KCdgw : My favorite robots are the Berserkers OMNI Cyber : Glad you stopped by the OMNI SF/F Chat Room. Pull up your keyboard and join us! ;D FREDDER : To pick up a piece of paper Cyber! Keepiru : Yeah, but he got ripped in half and never got upgraded. SonofHaig : Hey OMNI Cyber : *** Tonight the topic deals with Androids, Robots and Cyborgs. Have a favorite character? *** Keepiru : Maybe we could use them as a specialized soldier in a military unit. Cake I : what about Robbie? Peregrin12 : Robby OMNI Cyber : Good idea, Keep. CousinItt1 : my favorite (and here's where we see how old everyone is), the robot from the "I Robot"> CousinItt1 : episode of The Outer Limits Keepiru : We shouldn't take the humans out of course, that would take all the fun out of combat. Cake I : Asimov! OMNI Cyber : How about Marvin the depressed robot from Hitchhikers? Keepiru : But one robot...imagine the tactical potential! KCdgw : Loved that one, Cake! FREDDER : Danger! Danger! I waving my arms around and someone could get hurt! CousinItt1 : Robby the Robot Keepiru : Pain in all the diodes on the left side. Cake I : Asomov invented Data's brain. KCdgw : Marvin was a hoot... OMNI Cyber : If Androids ever become a reality, do you think we'll end up like the humans described ... OMNI Cyber : in some of Asimov's ROBOT books? No human contact, just androids for company? Keepiru : "Brain the size of a planet and they want me to take you up to the bridge.: OMNI Cyber : LOL, Keep. good quote. OMNI Cyber : Hello, JOLUMM OMNI Cyber : Glad you stopped by the OMNI SF/F Chat Room. Pull up your keyboard and join us! ;D CousinItt1 : hi JOLU JOLUMM : 'ello KCdgw : Good one, Keep SonofHaig : I remember a movie in which a robot get swallowed up into lava...anyone remember the name? FREDDER : LOL Keep Keepiru : Maybe marvin needs to download some prozac. FREDDER : Son of Haig - T2 JOLUMM : what are we talling about tonight? Cake I : you can download that stuff? OMNI Cyber : *** Tonight the topic deals with Androids, Robots and Cyborgs. Have a favorite character? *** Cake I : scarey! Keepiru : Virtual prozac? I dunno. SonofHaig : No No past movie. Way past. JOLUMM : anything by Asimov Keepiru : Can you imagine how hard it would be to make a liquid metal cyborg? KCdgw : Does anyone remember the Berserkers in Fred Saberhagens books? Keepiru : Imagine the nanotech you would need for that! OMNI Cyber : Yes, KC. Cake I : he wouldn't be a cyborg.... KCdgw : <whew> Keepiru : Sorry. Terminator. Cake I : no organism involved.... Peregrin12 : Liquid organics too? Keepiru : Just microscopic motors and transistors latching on to each other and sliding around in flui Keepiru : dlike motion. Peregrin12 : What's needed for a cyborg? Human brain? Cake I : I didn't see anything orgasmic about that terminator.... Keepiru : Living anything. OMNI Cyber : KC....did you get the latest Berserker book?....came out about 6 months ago, I think. CousinItt1 : we can rebuild him....better than he was before..... Keepiru : well, cake, he could form any part he wanted to. Peregrin12 : Blood and mercury - liquid cyborg KCdgw : No!...its been a while CousinItt1 : Freddy Mercury? OMNI Cyber : Let me get the title for you. :) Cake I : LOL! Keepiru : Liquid cyborg...Just add water. SonofHaig : Did MechaGodzilla have an organic brain? KCdgw : I truly enjoyede the compilation of Berserker stories by other authors, tho JOLUMM : lol CousinItt1 : Lipton Cup o Cyborg OMNI Cyber : KC.....BERSERKER KILL Cake I : I meant having to do w/ living tissue... Keepiru : Cleans out your gas tank, kills your enemies, and it's a dessert topping too! KCdgw : Thanks, Cyber (noting it down) OMNI Cyber : ;) CousinItt1 : LOL Keep CousinItt1 : greets MUAD OMNI Cyber : Hiya, Maub Dib. LTNS Keepiru : Liquid cyborg! Now in cans! OMNI Cyber : It's good to see you again in OMNI's SF/F Chat room. Grab something to drink and join us. ;) OMNI Cyber : C{_} C{_} C{_} C{_} <--- Pan Galactic GargleBlasters for everyone!! };> KCdgw : maud! Peregrin12 : no 'bots in Dune Keepiru : Greetings, Paul Maud'dib atreides. MAUB DIB : Hi, anything happening? Cake I : Hi Paul!! OMNI Cyber : *** Tonight the topic deals with Androids, Robots and Cyborgs. Have a favorite character? *** Keepiru : Lotta force fields though. Too bad they didn't work to well against those flying hypodermic Keepiru : needles. KCdgw : well folks, gotta go. Adios amoebas! FREDDER : Gargleblasters!!!!!! Over Here Cyber! OMNI Cyber : Nite, KC Keepiru : Bye KC. CousinItt1 : niters KC Peregrin12 : seeya FREDDER : bye KC Cake I : bye! CousinItt1 : *operatnl* Peregrin12 : Bladerunner Keepiru : What were those flying hypodermic needles full of, anyway? OMNI Cyber : STAR WARS had C3PO, ST:TNG has Data, 2001 had Hal. Are Robots, Androids and AI computers ... Peregrin12 : Melanin? OMNI Cyber : needed in SF to further the stories? Or are they becoming a necessity for the SF writers? MAUB DIB : My favorite andriod was from Metropolis. Keepiru : R2D2 CousinItt1 : YES, Maria! Good one MAUB Peregrin12 : Hey Cyber, do you make up these questions? Keepiru : Tymbrimi Niss Machines. OMNI Cyber : Always, Peregrin. Right off the top of my head. :) Cake I : LOL keep! you've read them all,huh? Peregrin12 : Whoa! CousinItt1 : my fav- Rachel from BladeRunner :-) MAUB DIB : The FX of that movie, however old, were great! Keepiru : Startide, sundiver, Uplift war, waiting for the fourth he's rumored to be writing. Peregrin12 : Postman OMNI Cyber : Keep....it's no rumor. Cake I : me too.... Keepiru : Another one to the startide series? CousinItt1 : brb afk Cake I : but alas... it is only a rumor to me. FREDDER : How do you know that Cyber? OMNI Cyber : Yes Keepiru : I just hope he doesn;t kill of Streaker. OMNI Cyber : Talk to OMNIChthon. He has the inside track Cake I : yeah--- how do you know that? The7dwarfs : Hi Cake OMNI Cyber : Hello, The7Dwarfs OMNI Cyber : You've just transported into the OMNI SF/F Chat. Grab your chair, get comfy, and join us! ;) The7dwarfs : Hi OMNI Keepiru : Which dwarf is online now? The7dwarfs : All 7 of us ??? MAUB DIB : Does Rachel classify as an android? Cake I : Grumpy.... The7dwarfs : LOL The7dwarfs : no Happy Keepiru : Wow, talk about networking. Cake I : Rachel is an android in Blade Runner. FREDDER : 7Dwarfs - wierd name - I like it! :) The7dwarfs : We miss Snow White, we can't find her tonight CousinItt1 : I still say ANY woman living with 7 dirty old men ISN'T Snow WHite for long :-) Cake I : So is Ford's Characrter.... Peregrin12 : Even Androids SIng the Blues The7dwarfs : I have to agree with Cake on that one CousinItt1 : depends on whether you've seen the director's cut or the original version Keepiru : Sleepy, happy, grumpy, dopey, sneezy, bashful, doc, sleazy, druggie, suicidal tendancy... MAUB DIB : I thought she(rachel) was synthetic but also flesh and blood. How do you classify an andriod? Cake I : that is true! Keepiru : Rachel only had a four-year warranty. Cake I : Director's cut was better... IMHO CousinItt1 : I agree Cake, but each version has it's own take on the androids Cake I : poor Rachel.... wish she coul;d live longer! The7dwarfs : Hmmm, I think the original was better Cake Cake I : I'm sorry you feel that way.... MAUB DIB : The dime store novel voice over made the movie. CousinItt1 : I like both of them Keepiru : Startide seems to delve into cybernetics as adaptation. The7dwarfs : We hate letterboxing, it ruins a movie OMNI Cyber : Good point, MAUB. Cake I : Maud 'Dib- did you read all of 'em? MAUB DIB : All of....? Cake I : all the dune books! CousinItt1 : here's an interesting concept; if Sarah Conner had a DAUGHTER, would a Terminator still> CousinItt1 : gone after her? Cake I : no- they only wanted john. FREDDER : I think so Cousin Keepiru : Arrakis: Fremin for "too much damn sand!" CousinItt1 : wouldn't they have had no need to do it tho? The7dwarfs : I think so if she would have had the sane role as John Cake I : maybe.... Cake I : but that would be a total different timeline. FREDDER : If she was destined to birth the human savior then it could be a woman as well as a man. MAUB DIB : Truthfully, No. I read most of them. It's been a while. I should go back and visit rakis. CousinItt1 : I tried reading God Emporer of Dune first- BIG mistake Cake I : you should! Keepiru : Spice: 1) Fremin for "The stuff in that rack in the kitchen." OMNI Cyber : Re hi, Peregrin Keepiru : 2) The Arrakis version of LSD. Cake I : God Emeperor was my favorite. FREDDER : Dune - great characters The7dwarfs : I never liked Dune much Keepiru : 3) Allows folding of space. Space really does not like to be folded, makes the sandworms ma Keepiru : d. MAUB DIB : I think both God Emperor and Chapterhouse were the better ones. Keepiru : I liked the movie. It was cool. Peregrin12 : I just reread Dune this year - I find out dated to say the least. IMHO Keepiru : What were those things that the baron implanted into his subjects? CousinItt1 : I wanna see what kind of fish you catch with a sandworm on your hook :-) FREDDER : The movie was as good as they could make it but the books were better Keepiru : Grenades? Cake I : MUCH better! The7dwarfs : Books almost always are better than the movie FREDDER : LOL Cousin Cake I : except the music.... MAUB DIB : The were heart-pull tabs...easy open. CousinItt1 : any movie with Patrick Stewart has to be good Keepiru : What, did he put beer cans in his subjects? Cake I : what movie is ever better than the book? The7dwarfs : Yeah, Patrick Stewart is God CousinItt1 : the man who can make a phone book sound like SHakespeare Keepiru : Lt. Commander Data on dune, following patrick stewart. The7dwarfs : Except for when they put out a book after the movie is out Keepiru : Wierding device: Takes a movie, makes it wierder. Also that thing the fremin shoot with. MAUB DIB : No, Harkonnen was a perv. He liked controll over his people. Keepiru : Water of life: oxymoron. Cake I : LOL! love your definitions Keep! FREDDER : Hey we had the trek talk - what happened to droids and things mechanical? Keepiru : The trek talk that turned into trek on pern. OMNI Cyber : FREDDER.....things change. :) Cake I : was the topic supposed to be Trek tonight? Keepiru : Heart pull tabs: implanted by a baron who imagined each of his subjects as a can of beer. OMNI Cyber : Cake the topic was Androids.....etc.... FREDDER : Cake - it was trek earlier The7dwarfs : How about the movie SNow White? Anyone like it? Cake I : LOL! Keepiru : What did they do, make the person bleed to death when pulled? The7dwarfs : Does that mean yes Cake? OMNI Cyber : ::::::looking at the clock on the wall::::::: OMNI Cyber : **Please note that the opinions in the OMNI Online Chat rooms do not necessarily reflect the ... OMNI Cyber : opinions of the publishers or editorial staff of OMNI Magazine. Chat room hosts do not represent ... OMNI Cyber : ... OMNI Magazine and any opinions that we express are definitely our own.** Thank You!!! :D Cake I : are you going to leave us Cyber? OMNI Cyber : ** Thank you all for a really GREAT chat! If you'd like to talk about anything specific next ... OMNI Cyber : time, please E-Mail me with your suggestions. See you again, and have a great night! ** CousinItt1 : <as the OMNI Cyber puts away his disclaimer card The7dwarfs : Bye OMNI FREDDER : Thanks Cyber! :) CousinItt1 : niters Cyber OMNI Cyber : Yes, Cake.....it is that time. :) OMNI Cyber : Feel free to stay and chat, and if you need any help, please use Keyword: GUIDEPAGER Keepiru : oh darn. Cake I : : ( MAUB DIB : Bye..seee ya Cuber. OMNI Cyber : Goodnight everyone! It was fun! :::::: POOF :::::: OMNI Cyber : *ELVIS HAS LEFT THE BUILDING* 1/15/95 01:01:41 AM Closing Log file.